Pick Me! Pick Me! Experimenting with Discussion Interventions

Creating a balance during classroom discussions.

By: Jared Anderson


"Fine! Don't call on me!"

My student was obviously upset. I hadn't called on him during the entire lesson. I wasn't trying to be mean or purposely picking on him. I was experimenting with different lesson interventions, hoping to improve students' speaking and listening skills in my seventh grade math class.

I had been struggling with getting my shy students to speak up and become more engaged. I also hoped to get my outgoing students to listen better to what others said in class.

Other teachers were doing things like drawing sticks or giving each student two pennies and taking one each time they asked or answered a question in class. These strategies were designed to ensure every student had a fair chance to share and ask questions without allowing some students to monopolize the conversation. In addition, shyer students couldn't sit by silently.

In search of the best strategy to accomplish my goals, I developed two different lesson structures. The first structure involved calling on students one after another in a specific order. The second structure entailed specifically calling on shy students so their voices could be heard and their thoughts validated.

Getting a Baseline

Before I tested these interventions, I needed a baseline reading on my students' behaviors as well as their speaking and listening skills.

I went through a few lessons without any particular question-and-answer structure. I checked how many times each student raised his or her hand, blurted out answers, and had side conversations. I also used my district's speaking and listening rubric (Figure 1) to see where each student was in these areas.

Figure 1
Speaking and Listening Rubric

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Communication Does not follow classroom rules for productive discussion; goals, deadlines, and roles are undefined.  Struggles to adhere to rules or benefits from the rule reminders (perhaps monopolizes, interrupts, or tone and/or body language are off-putting); goals, deadlines, and roles are loosely defined.
Follows classroom rules for productive discussion; sets and tracks goals, deadlines, and roles as needed.
Takes a leadership role in facilitating discussion, keeping the conversation on track, and drawing others into the discussion; sets goals, deadlines, and roles as needed.
Response Is not involved in the back-and-forth aspect of the discussion.
Poses questions not specific to the topic; responds to questions with comments that do not elaborate and perhaps repeat information; is unable to bring discussion back on topic if needed.
Poses and responds to specific questions with elaboration and detail by making comments that contribute productively to the discussion; brings discussion back on topic as needed.
Poses questions that connect the ideas of several speakers and elicit elaboration; responds to specific questions with particular insight and detail by making comments that contribute productively to the discussion.
Synthesis Is unable to reflect on ideas or understand the perspective of others.
Reviews the key ideas expressed, but reflects limited understanding of perspective of others.
Acknowledges new information expressed by others, synthesizing the discussion as a whole, and when warranted, modifies own views.
Acknowledges new information expressed by others, synthesizing the discussion as a whole, and when warranted, modifies own views based on evidence presented.

Once I got my baseline, I used that information and my experience with these students to mentally put them into shy, in-between, and outgoing groups. Time to test my structures.

Sequenced Approach

First, I simply called on students desk by desk down the rows. Once I had called on all my students, I started over at the beginning. I did this for about a week and a half and kept tabs on my students' behaviors. When I used this strategy, I noticed a few things:

My in-between students seemed to benefit the most from having this structure while the outgoing students seemed frustrated by this approach.

The shy and in-between students appeared to anticipate and prepare for their turns. This forced organization seemed to help the in-between students—I noticed that they blurted out less and had fewer side conversations. The shy students seemed okay with this method and participated willingly, although they didn't always share much when they were called on.

The outgoing students were outraged by this tactic. They were so used to raising their hands and being called on frequently that they seemed to feel attacked by this organizational strategy—evident by their constant blurting, multiple side conversations, and comments like "FINALLY!!!!" coupled with a sigh of relief when it came time for them to talk. They seemed so agitated that I wasn't sure they recognized the simple pattern of my calling on the next student in line.

Bottom line: The "next in line, turn-taking" system seemed to help some and hurt others.

Targeting Students

For the second structure, I picked specific students to call on during my lessons. I didn't call on the outgoing students at all. I called on the in-between students infrequently. And the shy students were called on twice as often as the in-between students.

This approach really got the outgoing students' blood pumping. Now that they were never called on, they were furious. "What?! I'm right here! Don't you see me?" they cried out as I ignored their elevated arms. When I didn't call on them, they blurted out comments and answers on their own. I had to continue to remind the class that unless they were called on, they shouldn't talk.

The shy students participated just fine. These students played along well with whatever I threw at them. The in-between students didn't seem to mind this approach. Since I was calling on students without a particular order or pattern, though, they didn't seem to like this method as much as the most sequenced approach.

Back to the Free for All

I stopped using these two structures and went back to a free-for-all hand-raising system, noting the students' behaviors and using the speaking and listening rubric to see how the structures affected them. I noticed some interesting behaviors.

The shy students now raised their hands and offered more answers, comments, and questions during class. On average, the shy students showed no change in listening skills but increased their speaking skills. The shy students seemed to voluntarily participate and engage more during class after going through this experience. The only behavioral setback I observed was that now my shy students engaged in more side conversations.

My outgoing students showed improvements as well. On average, both their speaking and listening skills improved. They seemed more comfortable listening to others instead of always having to be the ones talking. While this group still showed the most blurting and side conversations, they actually did so less than before. They raised their hands as often as they previously had, but now they waited to be called on before speaking.

The in-between students were my most unique group. Some students actually did worse after these interventions. On average, as a group, these students' speaking skills, listening skills, and most behaviors improved, but these increases were minimal. Individually, not many students showed growth or regression. However, when I checked back to how they had done during the interventions, I realized that they actually did better when I used specific response methods.

Although I didn't think that the structures themselves would be so beneficial, it made sense. Some athletes take up running as a way to get better at other sports, while for other athletes, running IS their sport. I was using these structures the way some coaches use running to condition their athletes, hoping they will improve. What I found was that some of my "athletes" preferred to be just runners—some students benefited from the "lesson" of the structures and some simply benefited from the structures themselves.

Ongoing Investigations

In the end, what I learned was something that really wasn't new: Teachers need multiple forms of instruction to reach all their students. Varying the lesson structure works better for some students while others struggle. Exposing students to multiple forms of instruction or lesson structures allows them to be stretched in some ways and excel in others.

As our students grow beyond the classroom, they will be better able to work with others and realize their own strengths if they have been exposed to a multitude of interactions. Challenging students helps them grow, but it's equally as important to provide opportunities for students to experience success, which builds their self-esteem.

As far as interventions go, I will continue to try different approaches in my class. As long as teachers care for their students and work with their best interests in mind, almost anything they do will be beneficial. I don't think we'll ever find the one and only absolute "best practice" that works for all students all the time. However, I think the search itself is just as valuable.


Jared Anderson, former seventh grade math teacher at Valley Middle School in Grand Forks, North Dakota, now teaches math at Comfrey Public School in Comfrey, Minnesota. jared.anderson444@gmail.com
Published in AMLE Magazine, February 2016.

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2 comments on article "Pick Me! Pick Me! Experimenting with Discussion Interventions"

It is interesting to me that the "targeting students" method made the more active/talkative students so frustrated. I would have thought that it would have made the shy students upset, because they are the ones who are more apt to want to be left alone, or not be noticed. I personally believe that the "free for all" method sounds like the most fair method, with the popsicle method being a close second.

—Caleb
8/29/2018 3:37 PM

It is interesting to see the outcomes of both methods used in this article. When calling on students by rows it allows the shy students to prepare for a question being asked, as stated in the article. As a shy student myself, I liked the structure of calling on people because it mean't I wasn't going to be caught off guard when randomly picked on during a class discussion.

—Madison
11/6/2018 3:15 PM

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